Recapping the Great Gay Debate

August 10, 2007 at 12:42 am 12 comments

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Here are my thoughts on the HRC/Logo presidential forum on LGBT issues. Joe Biden and Christopher Dodd apparently had better things to do than address the millions of LGBT voters and our friends and families. Kudos to HRC and Logo for making this happen. You can view clips of the candidates speaking here.

If I were advising Bill Richardson on LGBT issues, I would be wondering what the hell happened. He actually said that he thought being gay was a choice. He then had multiple opportunities to redeem himself with a more thoughtful answer proceed to dig himself deeper and deeper into the mud. You could hear the audience members groan in disbelief.

John Edwards was the strongest. His performance was much improved from the tortured answers he gave at the CNN/YouTube debate. He also made what I consider a critical statement by saying that he was wrong for using his religious beliefs to justify opposing same-sex marriage.

Hillary Clinton had the opportunity to really set herself apart from the pack with a question from Melissa Etheridge. Melissa asked her pointblank how she would be different than former President Clinton who got the hopes of LGBT people up during his first run for the presidency only to throw us under the political bus once elected. Instead of leading us into the future of what a Hillary Clinton administration would mean for LGBT Americans, she made excuses for Bill Clinton’s failures.

Barack Obama was fine, not great, just fine. He made the great point that he talks about LGBT issue everywhere not just among LGBT audiences.

Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich were on a whole other plane and I’m not sure it was anywhere near our galaxy. They were seriously riding the love train to their own music. They had the most forward thinking views on LGBT issues, but their presentation ensures that they will come no closer to being elected president than I will be.

The panelists did a decent job. There were a few tough questions thrown out, but some opportunities for good follow up questions were missed. For example, when Joe Solmonese asked Clinton why she had she not introduced a bill in the Senate to repeal DADT. Her answer was weak and Joe should have pushed her on it. Margaret Carlson did a good job as moderator. She was smart, funny and reminded me of Velma from the Scooby Doo Show.

More on the forum is here, here and here.

What do you think?

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  • 1. Dave  |  August 10, 2007 at 3:29 am

    I watched this lovfeast on Logo and it was mostly a YAWN! It should have been structured more like a real debate instead of the love couch. If gay people still believe Hillary’s crap then I say you get what you pay for, and she is full of crap! Excuses, lies and pandering. I cannot stand it! Tell the fracken truth! I know that Hillary, Edward, and Obama are more socially liberal on the issues of gay marriage than they are letting on. I have no doubt Hillary would throw us under a semi if we became a political liability.

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  • 2. Christopher  |  August 10, 2007 at 5:04 am

    Hillary is not the “leader of us.”

    In fact, I happen to know for a fact that she’s been dragged kicking and screaming to the center on the issue of gay marriage equity. Hillary has a big ole’ stripe of GOP running up her back and it makes me uncomfortable.

    Where is Gore when we need him?

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  • 3. Christopher  |  August 10, 2007 at 7:54 am

    I have listened to the text from the HRC debate and I am retracting my angry remarks about Obama yesterday. I think his were the best, vis a vis, gay marriage equity.

    Hillary’s, the worst. How can she possibly say she supports gay marriage equity being determined by states rights? Aw, like Texas and Utah?

    Screw Hillary.

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  • 4. phil_in_ny  |  August 10, 2007 at 7:59 am

    I completely agree. I wrote about this also.

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  • 5. Bloggernista  |  August 10, 2007 at 8:25 am

    I still can’t get over Richardson awful performance. Even with two chances to correct himself, he just kept digging himself in deeper and deeper.

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  • 6. phil_in_ny  |  August 10, 2007 at 8:27 am

    He did. He seemed way to uncomfortable, like he couldn’t wait to get out of there.

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  • 7. nytexan  |  August 10, 2007 at 6:10 pm

    I still have a problem with Edwards and his religion. I have been leaning his way but last night really cast a huge shadow in him for me.

    Hillary “she’s not my girl”. How many groups or forums is she going to use that at? It’s getting as tired and the Bush/Clinton dynasty. Hillary is about the cash and the vote, then under the bus you go.

    Christopher:
    I’m glad you’re rethinking Obama’s statements. Out of all of them he did seem to get it and know what to do.

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  • 8. Bloggernista  |  August 10, 2007 at 6:15 pm

    I am for Obama as well. He is not perfect on LGBT issues. None of the most viable candidates are. But, his positions on LGBT civil rights and other issues make him the best candidate in my perspective. Having said that, we need to continue to push and other candidates and elected officials to get better on our issues.

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  • 9. nytexan  |  August 10, 2007 at 6:22 pm

    “we need to continue to push and other candidates and elected officials to get better on our issues.”

    For this to happen we would have to clone Kucinich and Barry Frank.

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  • 10. nytexan  |  August 10, 2007 at 6:23 pm

    sorry Barney Frank not Barry. Who the heck is Barry? LOL

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