Republican Senators Knew About Larry Craig

October 6, 2007 at 5:06 pm 59 comments

Conservative columnist Robert Novak said today that Republicans in the Senate knew about Larry Craig’s bathroom toe-tapping ways before the story break of his arrest in the Minneapolis airport, but they kept the story “in the closet.”

I have talked to several of my sources in the Senate, and this came as a surprise to me…They knew about it. They knew that he had this problem, and it was in the closet. And it was not just a homosexual relationship. It was this weird conduct. They didn’t do anything about it.

Did GOP learn nothing from the fallout over their hiding of former congressmen Mark Foley’s predilection for teenaged pages?

At least a dozen House Republicans and aides admitted to knowing about Foley’s lewd behavior, some for over a year, but they did nothing.

The Foley scandal was a key part of the reason the Republicans lost control of both the House and Senate in 2006.Republican leaders in the Senate have called for an ethics hearing to look into Craig’s past activities after Craig stated that rather than resign his senate, he now intends to complete his current term.

Here is a video clip of Novak today on Bloomberg Television:

Much love: Think Progress

In case you missed it: Toe-Tapping in the Boys Room

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  • 1. kip  |  October 6, 2007 at 6:21 pm

    These guys are so bad, this doesn’t even surprise me anymore.

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  • 2. phil_in_ny  |  October 6, 2007 at 6:46 pm

    They always know about who’s gay and who isn’t. Lindsey Graham is a big restroom troll as well, yet until he gets cought, all bets off.

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  • 3. proudprogressive  |  October 6, 2007 at 7:16 pm

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  • 4. Bloggernista  |  October 6, 2007 at 8:18 pm

    Phil,

    I can’t wait for Graham’s glass slipper to fall.

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  • 5. peter from new york  |  October 6, 2007 at 11:13 pm

    Regardless of how pleasant it is to watch Republicans eat their own because of their incessant instinct to coverup, it’s hard to bear listening to ANYTHING out of the traitor Novak. Why a man who betrayed this country has any say whatsoever in public – who should be sitting in jail for blowing the cover of a CIA spy – is beyond me.

    And how ironic for his to be helping to damage his own party – further. Disgusting man. Disgusting party. Disgusting behaviour. Perfect.

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  • 6. cowboyneok  |  October 6, 2007 at 11:14 pm

    Aunt Bea, I mean Lindsay Graham, is such an obvious joke. Only a state with ignorant Republicans, like South Carolina, would vote for him truly believing he is a ‘family values” type of guy. Then again, doesn’t “family values” = “toe tapping” in the Republican Party?

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  • 7. Bloggernista  |  October 6, 2007 at 11:34 pm

    Peter, usually I would not pay any attention to Novak, but in the past his sources have been accurate.

    The longer Craig sticks around the more he damages the GOP, so I am hoping that he stays until the last day of his term.

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  • 8. Bloggernista  |  October 6, 2007 at 11:35 pm

    CowboyNeck, Sister Sledge did say we are family. Maybe Craig means “family” in a gay way.

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  • 9. cowboyneok  |  October 6, 2007 at 11:59 pm

    True that, “nista.”

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  • 10. tsos20  |  October 7, 2007 at 12:23 am

    Defending him is disgraceful. I’ve heard Sean Hannity defend him several times on the radio, saying there’s a rush to judgement. He’s just intentionally slow to admit the obvious.
    The Sultan on Sports

    http://www.tsos20.wordpress.com

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  • 11. jenniloon  |  October 7, 2007 at 2:28 am

    hi bloggernista!
    new news from NYT:
    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Craig-Hall-of-Fame.html

    the gift keeps giving.

    i’m not a fan of novak either, but you have a good point about his accuracy.

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  • 12. Randy  |  October 7, 2007 at 3:22 am

    Robert Novak should be shunned like the plague even if it turns out he’s telling the truth. On any topic.

    He should be in solitary confinement in Gitmo eating grubworms, cockroaches and whatever else he can find and he should be waterboarded daily till he croaks.

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  • 13. nuQler ostrich  |  October 7, 2007 at 4:54 am

    At least Joey DiFatta had the sense to drop out “for health reasons.”

    http://www.nola.com/timespic/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-0/119156575256940.xml&coll=1&thispage=1

    Curiously the writer neglected to inform her readers of his party affiliation.

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  • 14. nuQler ostrich  |  October 7, 2007 at 4:56 am

    Maybe she just figured that everybody in NOLA already knows that toe-tapping and foot-rubbing is Republican code.

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  • 16. Bloggernista  |  October 7, 2007 at 6:14 am

    I think everybody now knows that toe-tapping is Republican “not gay” code. But, why aren’t there any cute Repubs getting busted? How are they able to escape the undercover sting operations?

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  • 17. Bloggernista  |  October 7, 2007 at 6:15 am

    BTW, I wrote about Joey DiFatta here: http://bloggernista.com/2007/10/05/toe-tapping-in-the-boys-room/.

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  • 18. totaltransformation  |  October 7, 2007 at 7:07 am

    “Did GOP learn nothing from the fallout over their hiding of former congressmen Mark Foley’s predilection for teenaged pages?”

    Can you imagine the media uproar if they tried to kick him out for being a homosexual who engages in odd sex?

    Plus, I was (and remain) quite surprised by how quickly this story died down- its life cycle was FAR shorter than the Foley story. I guess kink gay sex in public places isn’t as “good” of a story playing around with the interns. That, and the election is still over a year away and this time around Democrats are already in control.

    Not to mention this is an election cycle saturated with presidential candidate coverage. After all isn’t it much more important that we hear a dozen stories about how and why Obama doesn’t wear a flag pin?

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  • 19. Brent  |  October 7, 2007 at 10:56 am

    I am amazed that you criticize one of your fellow homosexuals, you giant hypocrite. Why aren’t you supporting your gay brethren?

    If this man were a liberal Democrat, you would be in the streets protesting — no question. If you deny that, you are lying and you know it. You can lie to me, but to lie to yourself is nothing but seriously pathetic.

    So you don’t support gays, you support liberals.

    It is amazing to me, how much you people (liberals) politicize everything!

    If you want normal people like me to consider you normal too, why are you making such a big deal out of this? It only alienates you from the norm, even more! How do you not see this?

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  • 20. Bloggernista  |  October 7, 2007 at 11:13 am

    Well, well, well. It looks like Brent’s got his panties in a bunch and his all concerned about protecting his fellow conservative Larry Craig. Why are you so alarmed that Craig’s hypocrisy is being called out? Is this striking a little too close to home?

    BTW, its not gay men cruising bathrooms for sex. Its “not gay” men like Craig, Florida state senator Bob Allen and Republican Joey DiFatta of Louisiana.

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  • 21. Cole Ryder  |  October 7, 2007 at 12:00 pm

    Brent (or should I say Brenda), the issue is that Larry Craig and the Repuglicans are raving hypocrites. On the one hand they denounce gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgender people, work against equality under the law for gay people, try to push anti-gay marriage amendments, and rattle on like scratched CDs about “family values” and “conservatism,” while supporting intrusive laws that destroy regular Americans’ rights to privacy.

    Yet behind closed doors they’re all sick basket cases like Larry Craig, Ted Haggard, Bob Allen, Joey DiFatta, Steve Gunderson, and so many more. They want to deny others rights and put Stalinistic restrictions on our freedoms, claiming to be Christians and the party of God and so on, and yet they are cruising for sex in bathrooms and visiting prostitutes and everything else. Why don’t they just get some damned mental help and leave the rest of us, the rest of American, alone? You’re not normal, Brenda, just like them.

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  • 22. Brent  |  October 7, 2007 at 12:11 pm

    What??? Unlike you, I wear boxers like a REAL man does, first of all, and I love boobs, but real ones, not the type of boob that you are. The thought of a man wearing panties would have never even crossed my mind until your own sick perverted mind painted that horribly disgusting picture in it. Fortunately, soft smooth boobies are the cure (God is a Great God).

    Second of all, I would never consider Larry Craig to be a conservative. I’ve never met a conservative homosexual. What makes him conservative, because he says so? Actions speak louder than words, even though liberals seemingly believe the opposite is true. However, there is only one truth –the TRUTH.

    Thirdly, I could not care less if the man wants a penis in his butt, it isn’t anyone else’s business but his own, which brings me back to the point. Why is this considered a political issue at all? If you want me to point out the vast amount of hypocrisy on the part of liberals, my fingers would be numb and bleeding with blisters from the amount of typing required. Fortunately for me, I do not have enough time because I have a life outside of my blog.

    Furthermore, I do not see what someone’s kinky sexual preferences have to do with me. If you want to destroy your colon, have at it. Shove whatever you want up there, it’s yours to destroy.

    Personally, I happen to prefer the warmth and softness of a vagina, and the soft floppiness of a woman’s breasts.

    As far as the other no-name, mediocre politicians you cite, WHO CARES?

    Why do you ALWAYS spin everything into politics, and ignore my points, while dodging my questions? I’ll tell you, since you don’t have the courage to: You are afraid, because the truth speaks for itself.

    Also, why is it that libs such as yourself have ZERO (0) sense of humor, and tend to be angry 24/7? You must be terribly miserable! Again, fortunately there is a cure (soft smooth boobies).

    Again, you dismiss what I said. If Larry Craig were a liberal Democrat, you would be in the streets protesting about how unfair he is being treated and discriminated against. Don’t you lie to me, because I am far too intelligent to fall for that. Liberalism depends on ignorance, and I happen to be immune from it since the capacity of my intelligence far outweighs the required amount to fall for such loads of crap.

    You only make yourself look further ignorant by your response. Or perhaps you know better, and the truth is meaningless to you. I tend to see a lot of that in liberalism anyway, so there is the possibility.

    Again, I will continue to point out the fact that you only support liberal gays (not so-called conservative ones, if they exist at all on the entire planet).

    As a strict Constitutional (conservative by today’s definition, however in the tradition of T.J. and R.R.) Libertarian, I couldn’t care less about your unnatural sexual cravings. However, you can rest assured that I will point out your own hypocrisy, because of the absurdity behind it.

    I will also point out that you do not support gays, you support liberals, which is sort of similar to your buddy Barack Hussein Obama only supporting the most wacky of liberal Americans by refusing to display the American flag. Oh yeah, Obama is officially toast as a candidate now (as if his mediocrity didn’t already speak for itself).

    Your response and argument is as weak as ever dude. The truth hurts doesn’t it (probably almost as much as sodomy)?

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  • 23. iburl  |  October 7, 2007 at 12:18 pm

    Brent,
    If Larry Craig was a liberal Democrat, he would not be running around voting on every law he could find to discriminate against gays. He would not have gotten a 0% rating from every gay rights group on his voting record. If he was not a hard-core right winger he would probably be out of the closet, and in a loving, private relationship with a man, but because of the twisted worldview of “conservatives” like yourself and Craig, he has to continue to live a lie, that he is straight, that he hates gay sex, that the policeman that arrested him lied and “entrapped” him. (BTW, how can this type of thing cause entrapment if you are not interested in men?) You must be too brainwashed by Fox news to see that the problems are hypocrisy and trolling for sex in a public restroom, not wanting gay sex. “f you want normal people like me to consider you normal too…” what an asshole. You’re not normal, you’re a moron.

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  • 24. Bloggernista  |  October 7, 2007 at 12:24 pm

    Brent, dude, you must be foaming at the mouth. You know there’s medication to help you deal with that.

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  • 25. Mame Dennis  |  October 7, 2007 at 12:36 pm

    Poor Brent.

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  • 26. Steven Bradford  |  October 7, 2007 at 12:41 pm

    Do you think a single reporter will come forward and admit that they also, along with most of the DC media, knew about Larry Craig’s restroom habits long ago?

    The arrest was no more a revelation to them than to other GOP Senators. But that story won’t run.

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  • 27. Brent  |  October 7, 2007 at 12:54 pm

    Cole, your stereotyping is not different from someone saying that all black people sell crack. Yeah, there are a few bad apples, and society tends to get rid of them, or at least sweep them under the rug, but just because a few of them do it, does not mean that they all do, or support it at all. We with intelligent brains know that this is insanely absurd to suggest, and terribly hateful as well.

    So since you cite five or six homosexuals, who happen to call themselves Republicans (RINOs), ALL Republicans share these values, according to you? Since there are some gay Democrats are ALL Democrats gay? Are they ALL hypocrites? Stop stereotyping people. You of all people, should be the very LAST to do that.

    Let me ask you this: do you wish that all people were gay? Do you hate humanity that much? It would mean our extinction you know. Is that the extent of your anger? Why not just buy a firearm and start with yourself? Perhaps others will follow by example. You never know, stranger things have happened, (at least in San Fransisco).

    Since I’m not a Republican, as Nista already knows (although it’s like talking to a brick wall), I truly could not care less. My issue is with liberals who are obsessed with destroying our Constitution by slowly picking away at it, issue by issue, beginning with the First and Second Amendments.

    Calling me a Stanilist makes me laugh, since I am 100% against communism, and consider them to be my worst enemies. I would gladly destroy as many of them as possible, just like many other patriotic Americans have done, and should continue to do to ensure that our freedom exists forever.

    You can be as queer as you want, as far as I’m concerned, but don’t you dare pull me in to it. Again, I’ve NEVER met a [truly] conservative homosexual. Those are YOUR people, not mine.

    Furthermore, it boggles my mind that you would not want to see more gay Republicans. Wouldn’t that tend to make your issues and arguments even more mainstream and acceptable by more than just people like yourself?

    As I previously pointed out, you are only further alienating yourself, while you should instead be embracing those people. What gives?

    The answer is simple. The gay issue is irrelevant. Liberalism is the relevant issue, and homosexuality is merely one vehicle for which to spread it. You and I both know it.

    The difference is that I am not afraid to speak the truth, and political correctness, is something which interests me by 0%.

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  • 28. Brent  |  October 7, 2007 at 1:01 pm

    iburl, the answer to your question is very easy and simple. He lies because he is a politician. Name one who doesn’t do it.

    He does not want to relinquish his power. Duh. It does not take a genius to figure that one out.

    As I said, actions speak louder than words. Saying he isn’t gay doesn’t make him not gay. Shoving things in his anus does however.

    Obviously, he is ashamed of his gayness.

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  • 29. Bloggernista  |  October 7, 2007 at 1:10 pm

    Brent, you seem to know and think a lot about gay sex despite all your talk about “boobies”. What gives?

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  • 30. madmonq  |  October 7, 2007 at 1:32 pm

    Though public solicitation is kind of nasty, I think the repubs didn’t do anything because his orientation is a private matter. No one really cares what consenting people do behind closed doors. They only reacted when it became political. Which is even worse then pretending otherwise.

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  • 31. Brent  |  October 7, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    The ONLY thing that I know about gay sex is that the thought of it is absolutely repulsive, unnatural, disgusting perverted…I’ll stop there. That’s just me, however, the vast majority of men on Earth happen to agree with me, not you, when it comes to that. If not, we would already be extinct as a species. That is simple and logical mathematics.

    You are free to do what you please. I don’t care, just keep it out of my sight. I happen to support individual rights, even if I find the lifestyle choice bizarre. It’s not up to me to make lifestyle decisions for you. That does not mean that I should be forced to participate. THAT is Stalinist.

    However, I happen to know, without a shadow of a doubt, that this is not about homosexuality. It is about liberalism, period.

    Again, you dodge my questions. What are you afraid of?

    Since this is (supposedly, although I happen to know better — it is a liberal blog) a gay blog, I am merely making points which expose you for the phony poser that you are. This is a radical leftist blog.

    I also know that you are trying to pry words from me that will fit the template of who you stereotype conservatives and heterosexuals to be.

    It won’t work. I am only interested in the truth, not your stupid spin. You must have forgotten how smart I am and the fact that I am basically 35-0 in our debates –you have never won a single debate with me.

    You are a liberal, and to liberals, nothing is debatable. So instead of making a compelling argument, you quickly change the subject and accuse me of bigotry because of my courage to point out the truth.

    This is not at all about your lifestyle. It is about politics. For a reason that I am still trying to figure out, you politicize EVERYTHING, no matter the issue.

    I suppose the fact that the Mets choked in September is because of a vast “right wing conspiracy”.

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  • 32. gayleftborg  |  October 7, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    Not to be off topic, but wow! This Brent guy is a classic case of somebody who talks about boobies and pussy and tries to convince everyone he’s “straight”, but talks about gay sex and dicks more.

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  • 33. Mad Professah  |  October 7, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    My question is this where the alumni from CNN’s The Capital Gang went to? Some show on Bloomberg television? That’s what the real political junkies want to know.

    Miss Lindsey Graham should watch out because you know enterprising reporters will be watching arrest reports in South Carolina and the DC metro area like a hawk from now on!

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  • 34. Outing Hypocrites  |  October 7, 2007 at 3:58 pm

    Brent = another toe-tapping G.O.P.ing Toilet Troll!

    It’s the HYPOCRISY you troll!

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  • 35. Brent  |  October 7, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    Chalk up yet another debate won by me, losers. Again, you change the subject because you have nothing to fall back on. Insult me with your silly slander. That is ALL you have.

    I am not sensitive. I can take whatever you have to dish out. The fact is that you have ended the debate with NOTHING.

    Not a single one of you has anything worthwhile to add to the argument. Why do you wonder why people don’t take you seriously?

    Again, this is not about YOUR gay issue. It is about liberalism, and not a single one of you has an argument to even suggest otherwise, let alone prove it otherwise.

    You want people to accept you? Give them a reason why, besides crying. You have convinced nobody of anything besides being obviously whacked out for reasons I really don’t care to know.

    You are gay. Now what? All conservatives are bigots for not being like you? What a great argument you have. Good luck.

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  • 36. Brent  |  October 7, 2007 at 4:17 pm

    Excuse me Outing, I have been debating here for a year now, and you? Who’s the troll? It’s called humor, Mr. angry person. Guess what your anger is caused by you, not me. I did not make you hate yourself, and I don’t hate you, you do.

    I have argued that the hypocrisy only goes so far. Larry Craig is NOT a conservative, just because he SAYS he is. He is a LIAR just like 99.999999% of ALL politicians.

    My argument is about YOUR hypocrisy. If he were a liberal Democrat, you would have taken to the streets, half naked, by the thousands in protest –fully in support of this clown, for the way he is being treated and discriminated against (ironically by his fellow homosexual brethren). The hypocrisy is that YOU fight for gay rights, and are treating this man EXACTLY the way you whine and cry about the way others treat YOU.

    WHO ARE THE HYPOCRITES? THAT IS MY ARGUMENT AND NOBODY HERE HAS CONVINCED ME OTHERWISE.

    In other words, you are doing EXACTLY what you protest AGAINST! That proves what a joke this is, and it also points out the irony and hypocrisy on your part. It is nothing more than political B.S. Therefore, if that is all you have to add to the argument, you lose and I win.

    Gay liberal = loser of argument
    Brent = winner of argument

    It is okay for you to be a hypocrite, but God forbid someone else is. This is totally typical behavior of liberalism, which proves that I am right and you are a hypocrite.

    I’m not saying that he is not a hypocrite. I’m saying YOU ARE ALSO A HYPOCRITE!

    Liberals = do as I say, not as I do.

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  • 37. Outing Hypocrites  |  October 7, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    Very obvious Brent never had or never passed basic debating 101.

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  • 38. Randy  |  October 7, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    Larry Craig said he isn’t gay and never was gay. Who’s to argue with that? Let’s just assume that he’s straight and his wife won’t touch him with a ten foot pole and he heard that he could get head in an airport bathroom. Where he heard that is an altogether different question.

    Where Mr. Butchboy Brent with his soft squishy breasticles talk ever got the idea that Larry Craig wanted to trip the light fantastic in a bathroom stall with a horsehung young stud, possibly wearing out his colon and almost missing his flight connection is beyond me. Brent, do you write one-handed novellas for a living?

    Larry Craig wanted a quick blowjob inbetween flights from someone who wasn’t his wife. Plain and simple. Republican values. Gotta love’em.

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  • 39. Brent  |  October 7, 2007 at 4:58 pm

    Randy, are ALL Republicans want BJs from strange men in airports because one guy does it? With what logic to you come to this conclusion?

    Thanks for proving my point, hypocrite.

    Not a single one of you has a good argument here. All you have are insults for me. Keep ’em coming, it only makes your “argument” less and less reasonable to “normal” people. And by normal people, I mean intelligent and reasonable “non-wackos”.

    Outing, not sure where you are going with this. I have given good arguments and reasons for my point, and you have given nothing but insults toward me. That is your idea of debate? Where in the world did you take “debating 101” [sic]? Yes, I have included humor, because of my talented writing skills that make it interesting and fun to read. Your own lack of humor is brutally boring.

    And yes, if Larry Craig wants a BJ from a man, he is absolutely 100% gay. Straight men would never consider that an option, not EVER.

    Again, Larry Craig is a hypocrite, who would deny that? Certainly not me. You too are hypocritical, which makes you just as bad as he. Period.

    You won’t win this argument, no matter how silly the mob rule becomes, trust me. I will only further debate you into a corner, with reason and intelligence.

    Just ask Bloggernista who has never won a single debate against me in a year of debating. You are messing with the best.

    My advice: give up now so you can save face.

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  • 40. Live In Reality  |  October 7, 2007 at 4:59 pm

    Sorry Brent….Gay people don’t owe YOU or ANYBODY any REASON why you should accept them. There isn’t a clause in the Constitution that says * except if you’re gay. The fact is, you and everyone just like you, WILL have to accept gay people as your fellow American citizens, with all the exact same rights as you. The day is coming so get over it. Sorry if this offends your sense of power and dominance in the “majority”, but you should just shut the f’ck up and get used to it.

    “All conservatives are bigots for not being like you?”
    No, Brent – just the ones that have GAY SEX in public bathrooms, then go vote against ANY rights for gay people.

    If Craig was a Democratic senator – with the exact same anti-gay voting record – we would still call that exactly what it is: ULTIMATE HYPOCRISY. And you have the nerve to say it’s DEMOCRATS that live in a “Do as I say, not as I do” world? Are f’king kidding me???

    If you can’t take a break from swilling your Kool-Aid to see the forest through the trees of reality – and how blatantly corrupted the Republican party is – then you and you’re party are indeed blind, deaf and yes – DUMB.

    Start living in reality. The rest is just spin and propaganda.

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  • 41. Randy  |  October 7, 2007 at 5:42 pm

    Brent, I haven’t seen anything you’ve written yet that can be interpreted as you’re winning the debate. If this is indeed a “debate” you think you’re having, you’d not be invited back by the sponsor. Just because some newsreader on Fox thinks they’re having a debate between two guests doesn’t make it a debate. You’re doing the same thing here. It’s called venting and if this is what you’re calling a debate, and that you’ve won all the debates you’ve had here, I guess I haven’t missed much.

    Just because you say something is so, doesn’t make it so: e.g. “And yes, if Larry Craig wants a BJ from a man, he is absolutely 100% gay. Straight men would never consider that an option, not EVER.” Clueless.

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  • 42. totaltransformation  |  October 7, 2007 at 5:52 pm

    “No, Brent – just the ones that have GAY SEX in public bathrooms, then go vote against ANY rights for gay people.

    If Craig was a Democratic senator – with the exact same anti-gay voting record – we would still call that exactly what it is: ULTIMATE HYPOCRISY.”

    Are we misusing the word hypocrite here? Wouldn’t he only be a hypocrite is he voted against allowing gay sex in public restrooms AND THEN engaged in said bathroom sex? I guess in the general sense that he might have betrayed some religious convictions he holds he could be considered a hypoctire, but as far as politics go, I don’t see his actions in these two areas as contradictory. (And so help me if anyone laughs because I just got a cheap pun in there aimed at third grade sensibilities). Moreover, isn’t it possible that someone could be bi-sexual or even homosexual and disagree that it is a good idea to allow for homosexual marriage by law?

    By the way, the Indonesian word for hypocrite is orang munafik. Not sure why, but I found that amusing.

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  • 43. Brent  |  October 7, 2007 at 6:12 pm

    Reality,

    I do not have to accept ANYONE if I don’t want to, and you will NEVER have the power to control my mind. Yeah, I know that you as a liberal are furious about that. Get over it. It’s a free country, despite the fact that you seem to wish otherwise. Liberals want liberalism, not freedom, because those who believe otherwise are their enemies. I don’t care if you are a gay liberal, just don’t force me to participate. Keep your sex life behind cloded doors like everyone else.

    Liberalism is absolutely totalitarian. There is no debate and no acceptance on your part of MY belief system, yet you hypocritically wish to force your belief system on me. Too bad.

    See my point yet? My gosh, talking to you people (libs) is like talking to a brick wall!

    If you want to be gay, I say go for it. I don’t care a bit. And yes, Craig is a hypocrite. You missed the point, obviously due to your anger, something with which you have obvious issues. Get over that anger, and perhaps you will be reasonable enough to see the point I make.

    By the way, cussing and swearing does not make your argument stronger and more relevant. It makes it weaker.

    If you believe that Democrats are perfect and Republicans are corrupt, you are the one who is drinking Kool-Aid. BOTH PARTIES ARE TERRIBLY CORRUPT! I have never suggested otherwise. That is my point and [part of] the extent of the argument. You should never trust the government because ALL politicians lie.

    You cite hypocrisy, despite your own similar behavior, which is completely ironic, and which is why I point this out — your own hypocrisy.

    Why are liberals such stubborn people? And why do you see the need to force your beliefs on me? I’m not forcing you to be conservative. Part of being conservative [a true conservative] is letting people live how they want to live without entities like government forcing such things upon people. Live your own life, and stay out of mine.

    Again, this thread and your argument is not about homosexuals, it is about liberalism. I feel like a broken record, because you people are SO close minded (ironic isn’t it?) I have to say it again and again until it sinks in.

    And the day that you speak of will NEVER happen, because you will never be able to force people to think a certain way. America is about individualism, and you have to live with the fact that there are people who think you are nuts. Get over it.

    Other than gay marriage, what rights are you talking about? Besides that, you have the same rights as everyone else. Marriage should be a state, not Federal issue. There is nothing Constitutional about banning gay marriage.

    I as a Catholic happen to view marriage as a Sacrament before God, and something that people do when they are ready to start a family. Unfortunately for gays, this isn’t possible due to the laws of nature. If my pointing this out makes you angry, your true anger is with God or nature, not me.

    You missed the point about acceptance. By further alienating yourself with your rhetoric, and political spin, you make it harder for your cause. What do you not understand about that?

    You should be encouraging this guy to “come out”, not call him a hypocrite. He needs YOUR acceptance.

    Calling yourself a conservative or liberal does not make you one. ACTIONS speak LOUDER than words. Didn’t your parents ever teach you that?

    Again, he is a liar just like almost every other politician from every political party.

    What’s truly fun for me, is the fact that you have gotten so angry over this, and actually buy into the political b.s.

    Aren’t you aware that politicians rely on ignorance for power? Who’s drinking Kool-aid?

    I prefer beer – real man’s drink. Okay, sometimes whiskey too.

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  • 44. Brent  |  October 7, 2007 at 6:15 pm

    Randy bisexual =gay.

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  • 45. Brent  |  October 7, 2007 at 7:05 pm

    I find it odd that you people are more vocal than anyone else about intolerance, and at the same time, happen to be the most intolerant people of all. It’s your way or the highway.

    See the hypocrisy? Of course not. Liberals suffer from tunnelvision.

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  • 46. Live In Reality  |  October 7, 2007 at 7:12 pm

    “I as a Catholic happen to view marriage as a Sacrament before God, and something that people do when they are ready to start a family. Unfortunately for gays, this isn’t possible due to the laws of nature. If my pointing this out makes you angry, your true anger is with God or nature, not me.”

    Oh that’s right Brent, how could I forget:

    Every American citizen is a Christian, and only gets married to procreate. In fact, I think, straight people only have sex to procreate. Because isn’t anything less going against “God’s” word? And thank God we don’t allow (straight) barren women to marry, or (straight) sterile men. ‘Cuz what’s the point, if they can’t make more babies? It’s not like adoption is valid, right? Plus, I think it’s about time we revoke the marriage licenses of all those married (straight) people who decide not to have kids. How dare they! And don’t get me started on the 50%+ (straight) divorce rate. Divorce should be illegal!

    “If you want to be gay, I say go for it. I don’t care a bit.”
    You care QUITE a bit Brent. Actually, gay people CHOOSE to be gay. Everyone knows that! Just like straight people CHOOSE to be straight. Because since there’s both gay and straight, obviously everyone must be choosing their sexuality. How else to explain it?

    I think it usually happens around 12 or 13. When did it happen for you, Brent? Do you remember the day you woke up and said: “I’m straight. My lower-region gets hard when I think about naked women Woo hoo, I’m straight!”. I’d love to know your personal story and when your choice for heterosexuality happened.

    “Part of being conservative [a true conservative] is letting people live how they want to live without entities like government forcing such things upon people. Live your own life, and stay out of mine.”
    Amen Brent. But oops – I think the president (and the entire Republican party) you most likely voted for was trying to amend the Constitution to ban gay marriage? I think that tosses your logic that conservatives want the government out of our personal lives. Then again, you’d only agree with it when it strips the rights away from other people, and not you. God, ahem, forbid that ever happened to you personally.

    I don’t know why I’m wasting the time it’s taking to type any replies to you. I know your type well

    Brick, meet wall – wall, meet brick

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  • 47. CandyLite News  |  October 7, 2007 at 7:35 pm

    Duh!

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  • 48. Brent  |  October 7, 2007 at 7:43 pm

    Guess what? Bush is NOT a conservative — he is a phony, and as liberal as any other liberal. His action speaks for itself, and I will never defend this about him.

    Saying that he is a conservative is a LIE, just like Bill and Hillary Clinton are “moderates” –a total crock and a sham. However, with the drive-by media, if you repeat things enough, the ignorant masses tend to believe it, despite the obvious evidence under their noses.

    Bush openly condones the New World Order, and the North American Union, along with the Clintons, Carters, and others, and seems to disregard the U.S. Constitution, as if it is an obstacle for his agenda.

    It is a myth that he is a conservative. Again, calling yourself a conservative does not automatically make you one.

    As far as my view of marriage, I said it is “MY VIEW”, not anyone else’s including the ENTIRE Republican party, of which I am proudly NOT a member of.

    I am a Libertarian, and I DON’T care if you’re gay. It’s not up to me to decide YOUR destiny.

    The way you stereotype people is amazing to me, since you hate it that people do it to you. Are all gay people flaming fags? I wouldn’t say so, in fact some of the gay people that I know seem so normal to my view, that I would have never known if they hadn’t said so. And I like and respect them –they are nice people, and tend to keep their sexual practices to themselves, like most other normal (non-wacko) people.

    You seem to equate one person’s view as millions of people’s views. How did you draw that conclusion?

    I’ll give you a hint: ignorance, closed-mindedness, hatred, and intolerance –everything that you accuse people of committing against you. THAT is what makes you just as much of a hypocrite as those you bitch about.

    Sorry but you cannot win this argument, because mine is far too logical and reasonable, and yours is flawed due to the fact that you assume way too much.

    I do not fit the template of whom you assume that I am, being a conservative. I am a strict conservative, patriotic Constitutional Libertarian who wishes the best for America and her citizens, including you.

    Try reading the entirety of my responses, instead of cherry picking phrases. I just said that marriage law should be up to the state, not the Federal Court. There is nothing Constitutional about banning gay marriage. If people want to get married, there should not be government intervention. The government should not be able to determine ANY lifestyle decision that is not harmful to others.

    As far as my view of marriage, it is my view and I only speak for myself, not millions of others. Can’t you get that through your thick skull?

    By the way, it was fun making you so angry and upset, while wasting most of my day –a very restful day that I indeed needed, but it’s almost time to be getting back to being a productive part of society. Gotta go. I’ve got a Football (not soccer, liberals, real football) game to watch.

    Have fun with your anger. I’ll say a little prayer for you 😉

    Go Bears!

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  • 49. apparentlywasted  |  October 7, 2007 at 7:54 pm

    So does this mean that they aren’t homophobic? Or are they just retarded?

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  • 50. Live In Reality  |  October 7, 2007 at 9:47 pm

    “Sorry but you cannot win this argument, because mine is far too logical and reasonable, and yours is flawed due to the fact that you assume way too much.”

    Who knew being a Libertarian also means being a megalomaniac.

    YAWN

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  • 51. Bloggernista  |  October 7, 2007 at 10:48 pm

    Brent, National Coming Out Day is October 11. Mark your calendar and we will be ready for an announcement from you.

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  • 52. Alohabunny  |  October 8, 2007 at 2:10 am

    Brent is too funny…..he is all worried about being typecasted and called a “Republican” , and then he admits he belongs to the largest pedophile ring in human history…the Catholic church…..and that he believes their hocus pocus about man/woman marriage…..talk about living in a fantasy world complete with I am better than thou because I am a member of the hocus pocus better than thou club….bwa-ha-ha….. that is hilarious.

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  • 53. Randy  |  October 8, 2007 at 5:12 am

    However, with the drive-by media, if you repeat things enough, the ignorant masses tend to believe it, despite the obvious evidence under their noses.

    That’s been your strategy all along, hasn’t it Brent?

    I’ve read all the responses here and you’re the only one who seems angry. You wrote about “obvious evidence” yet what you provide in your arguments seems much more like opinion. Your own. You’re allowed, but don’t expect anyone to be convinced. Here’s a hint: capitalization of words obviously won’t work in a verbal debate and it doesn’t strengthen your argument in written form. Doing it over and over just makes you look ANGRY.

    If what you’re doing here, repeating the same things over and over is what you call debate, then I’ve changed my mind about looking up some of those other debates you claim you’ve won on this blog. It would be a waste of time.

    By the way, the bisexuals out there might have a problem with your calling them “gay.” Again, clueless. Do some research.

    I hope your Bears won. You need a hug. I hope your wife/girlfriend/whatever gives you one.

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  • 55. Percy Kittens  |  October 8, 2007 at 6:23 am

    It appears to me that brent is 14 yrs old or something – who the hell uses the term “boobies”. And running around spouting about “soft vaginas” on a primarily gay blog strikes me as well… gay (in a closeted way). Either that or he is in the same age and toetapping demographic as Sen. Craig – or is being paid to troll

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  • 57. Seattle Man  |  October 8, 2007 at 9:24 pm

    “However, there is only one truth –the TRUTH.”

    Classic.

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  • 58. Bloggernista  |  October 8, 2007 at 9:32 pm

    Brent is, shall we say, “special.” He’s harmless though even if he gets himself more than a little worked up sometimes. He’s like that rowdy little puppy that you have to smack with a newspaper every now and then.

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